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Lady In The Omelette

Egg-ceptionally misguided?

Egg-ceptionally misguided?

SNARLS to Bryce Dallas Howard. There are plenty of resources full of information about vegan pregnancy and motherhood. It’s not totally impossible to be vegan and have child, is it? So, why on Earth is Howard eating eggs? She and husband Seth Gabel are planning a family and she thinks eating eggs will help.

“I was a vegan, but I just became vegetarian. I went to a doctor actually to see about preparing my body to have a child. Because I knew something was a bit wrong. I have amino acid missing that you can only get from certain kinds of eggs. So I’ve been eating a few eggs.”

“Certain kinds of eggs?” What kind of eggs, Bryce? Are you sure this amino acid you need ONLY comes from these specific eggs? No plant or alternative source offers it, huh? That’s news to me. It is interesting the way former vegans justify consuming animals or animal products for one reason or another.

12 Comments

  1. Comment by

    frank language

    on #

    To me it’s a big yawner when vegans revert to vegetarian or omnivore roots; most vegetarians I see don’t have the conviction to sustain their vegetarianism more than a few years – not that there’s anything wrong with that; after all, to most people in the world, meat is the gold standard.

    I noticed how your quote from Ms. Howard was “all about me;” “I noticed I was missing an amino acid.” Most pregnant women focus on themselves, not the fetus; I knew a woman with a newborn who told me with pride, “I was a vegan for two years!” but not during her pregnancy; “I just didn’t want to do without dairy for my pregnancy.” Amazing how people never consider the developing life inside of them they might be hurting with dairy…well, these things aren’t proven, anyway. Never mind.

    I”m more inclined to focus on the inherent selfishness of bringing a child into an already-overpopulated world, but I’m sure nobody agrees with me on that either.

  2. Comment by

    nycvegan

    on #

    What I find particularly disturbing is that someone with access to the best that money can get in terms of doctors, nutritionists, etc. has such a misguided, bizarre idea about her dietary needs during pregnancy. It just shows that ignorance is equal opportunity-regardless of your bank account. In any case, it’s anyone’s guess what these magical “certain kinds of eggs are.”
    I’m not sure, but if I were forced to guess, I would say that Bryce was vegan for health reasons, not ethical reasons. If that’s the case, she has no moral dilemma in terms of eating a few eggs. In fact, my reading of her quotes suggests that she started eating eggs more because she found it to be a deficient diet, and the pregnancy was just a vehicle to find out that she was, in fact, severly bereft of the mysterious, magical, amino-acid filled eggs.Hah!

  3. Comment by

    thian13

    on #

    I happened upon this thread while reading todays news…. can’t help but wonder, are all vegans this mean spirited?

  4. Comment by

    Laura Leslie

    on #

    Aww, look! Our first troll!

    Discuss the opinion, not the person.

  5. Comment by

    Meirann

    on #

    Comment by thian13 on August 12, 2006 11:56am:
    I happened upon this thread while reading today?s news…. can’t help but wonder, are all vegans this mean spirited?

    So you took the time to register just to ask if we are all mean spirited. As if we were part of some collective with no real individuality or opinions. Good job.

    I assume the above will probably help confirm your suspicions – which would be foolhardy on your part. To the point, however:

    When people choose to become vegan it is almost always due to strong feelings regarding the right to life of all living creatures, Animal Rights in general, and the realization that as a part of evolution, the need for us to devour the flesh of an animal is, at this point, unnecessary. Some argue that it always was unnecessary, but that’s another discussion.

    Proclaiming yourself as a vegan is in itself an act of activism. It is not a temporary lifestyle choice and is intended for the long haul, which would be the remainder of our lives. In the case of Bryce, we have a vegan who very well may have made that proclamation based on intent to live out her life as being vegan for the greater good of Animals. How is it wrong for us to find her will power and determination less than sparkling? How is it wrong for us to be upset that someone who is of public interest is now spewing off inaccurate information about nutrition in regards to living vegan? As if there wasn’t enough misinformation on the subject – as if there wasn’t enough confusion.

    Either this woman has been paying top dollar for the wrong advice from nutrition “experts” and doctors, or she simply couldn’t be bothered with finding her amino acids in the vegan foods that do provide them. That or she didn’t like the taste. Who knows?

    I, myself, have little respect for someone who makes such an intense life choice, then wiggles out at the first sign of difficulty (which, FYI, there isn’t really any difficulty, especially in her financial position).

    If Bryce made her decision to become vegan based on health reasons and not one based in ethics, as was questioned above, it seems strange to me that she would choose that life (for health reasons) without fully researching the health of the diet.

    Eating animal products does not make someone automatically healthy – you do have to find replacements for nutritional items you may have been receiving in a non-vegan diet. But it is quite possible to live a healthy life as a vegan. You can’t eat pasta and beans for eternity and expect that?s all you need, no more than a meat eater could expect to be healthy by eating steak and potatoes everyday.

    I think what you interpret as a mean spirit would more likely be “disappointment”. Ever been disappointed and vocal about it before? Does that make you mean spirited?

    I just can’t believe that she didn’t look into this a little further. Does she think she is the only vegan to have ever gotten pregnant? If not, does she assume the others either gave up being vegan or birthed unhealthy children?

  6. Comment by

    Marian

    on #

    Well, I’m new here and I do eat eggs. However, I am interested in the site and I want to be informed and see what’s happening. So, just wondering if I am supposed to be blocklisted because I eat eggs? In short, can a non-vegan be a part of this group? Thanks! :)

  7. Comment by

    panaru

    on #

    I agree with you 100% Meirann. It certainly is disappointing when a self proclaimed vegan decides to revert back to eating animal products. Even more so riddulous when they give you sorry excuses for doing so. She has more than enough resources to get her information straight. I’m transitioning to vegan and I know that her justification for eating “magical eggs” is bullcrap. Bryce is just as confused as Andre 3000 of outkast, this idiot claims to be vegan but his clothing line includes tails from red foxes. His excuse “i know i’m vegan but i wanna look good too”. Another selfish jerk!

  8. Comment by

    why.the.hypocricy

    on #

    This comment is concerning Merrianns claim that vegans have a strong feeling about the right to life of all living things. That cannot be true, what about plant life. Plant life is devoured as if there were no tomorrow and people dont even pay even a shred of respect to the fact that these magnificent organisms are living creatures as well as animals. Just because an organism dosent move around or is not fuzzy and cuddly dosent mean that it is not living. The fact of the matter is that everything ( except plants), in order to live, must kill something else (plants or animals) and consume it in order to keep on living. Thats a fact of life for us humans. You people try to live in a sheltered fantasy world and criticize those who dont adhere to youre principles, which not even you can adhere to. The only organisms who dont have to kill to survive are plants/bacteria/viruses etc, because they get their nutrients from the ground (plants) or parasitically take them from other organisms. The fact of the matter is that were killing the only organism on earth that dosent kill anything else to live, plants. Under your principle, that all life is valuable, plants should be held in an extra high regard… higher , in fact than us humans. Its their world and were just parasites. So, we should just all commit mass suicide and allow the plants to reign supreme on planet earth because theyre the only organism that can possibly adhere to such a strict principle, and therefore, deserve to have this planet to themselves because we’re all just disgusting and greedy and murderous. Actually youre all just a bunch of pompous egoists who, in a pathetic attempt to satisfy the voracious appetite of your ego’s endless hunger, try to attain the moral highground by claiming that youre all better than everyone else because you dont eat meat or use animal products. It is not merely enough to satisfy yourselves by not eating meat or eggs etc, but you need to lash out at those who dont do it to more firmly plant your feet on your moral high ground, you people are truly hippocrits. But, i will delightfully point out, you must kill, ruthlessly kill, plant-life to survive. Do us all a favor and please commit suicide, the plants will thank you.

  9. Comment by

    Jason Das

    on #

    Maybe we need to add a “name six different veggie burgers” question to the registration process? And automatically add a paragraph break every 5 sentences. Thoughts?

  10. Comment by

    Laura Leslie

    on #

    How about we make them read a guide to logical fallacies before they can post? ;)

    Hee! Plants the same as animals. Except for that whole “central nervous system,” “capacity to feel pain” thing!

    In response to Marian’s
    Well, I’m new here and I do eat eggs. However, I am interested in the site and I want to be informed and see what’s happening. So, just wondering if I am supposed to be blocklisted because I eat eggs? In short, can a non-vegan be a part of this group? Thanks! :)

    (I’m just responding as myself, not as an “official SuperVegan voice,” btw, as we all may have different opinions on this.)

    Marian, anyone can read the SuperVegan site, and we hope that you’ll enjoy it and find it informative. You may want to note this statement on our “About Us” page, though:

    SuperVegan is made for vegans, by vegans.

    We’d been frustrated time and again by sites catering to “vegetarians” – full of cheese recipes and “I eat fish, but…” We wanted to make a website we would actually use.

    In other words, this is one of the few places on the internet where vegans don’t have to explain and justify ourselves every five seconds; where, for once, we’re not in the minority. This site will continue to be written from a vegan perspective–a perspective that says that eating eggs is morally wrong. If you’re open to it, that’s great, but if you’re not, please don’t expect us to coddle you and tell you that it’s okay for you to support a horrific system that we have stood by our committments to reject.

    If you are interested in learning more, one place to start is What?s Wrong With Dairy Products and Eggs?

    You can, of course, continue to participate in this site without being vegan. Your level of enjoyment will probably depend on how thick of a skin you have, though, because our vegan perspective isn’t going to change.

  11. Comment by

    Meirann

    on #

    Comment by why.the. hypocricy on August 13, 2006 7:53pm:
    Just because an organism dosent move around or is not fuzzy and cuddly dosent mean that it is not living.

    Imressive.

    The fact of the matter is that everything ( except plants), in order to live, must kill something else (plants or animals) and consume it in order to keep on living.

    This is incorrect.

    You people try to live in a sheltered fantasy world and criticize those who dont adhere to youre principles, which not even you can adhere to.

    The term ?You people? would lump us all into one category. That?s a silly presumption. I don?t lump non-vegans into one ? or even two categories. The world isn?t as black and white as you?ve been led to believe.

    The only organisms who dont have to kill to survive are plants/bacteria/viruses etc, because they get their nutrients from the ground (plants) or parasitically take them from other organisms.

    Um… you do realize that both parasites and bacteria have the capability to kill their hosts, right?

    No, they don’t have to kill, I suppose, but they often do.

    The fact of the matter is that were killing the only organism on earth that dosent kill anything else to live, plants.

    Ok, question: Are we living on the same Earth? Because on the planet I call Earth, many types of vegetation can be deadly to other vegetations and in many cases can even be deadly to animals, including humans.

    Oh, you meant killing with intent. Well they have an intent to survive, and because of that, kill, whether knowingly or not, to do so.

    Its their world and were just parasites.

    In the beginning of your babble you pointed out that parasites do not ?kill? but now, you liken humanity to parasites, as if the term were to now represent that we are murderous because we, ourselves, are parasites. Make up your mind.

    Actually youre all just a bunch of pompous egoists who, in a pathetic attempt to satisfy the voracious appetite of your ego’s…blah, blah, blah”

    There you go again, herding us all into one pen. Not all of us preach our beliefs to others. We don?t go on attacks or try to provoke an outburst from the peanut gallery. While other vegans do perform these acts, it does not mean that all of us do. Many just live and go about life quietly, doing what he/she believes is right. I?m not sure what inherent paranoia would make you feel threatened by people who do not eat or use animal products, but you might want to have that looked at.

    I?m still trying to find where we claimed to be better than everyone else.

    But, I will delightfully point out, you must kill, ruthlessly kill, plant-life to survive. Do us all a favor and please commit suicide, the plants will thank you.

    In what is probably the most amusing part of your post, I will, in turn, delightfully point out that you?re a little late on this type of argument. Myriad people before you have already pulled these weak statements out of their arse. We?ve heard it before. Congratulations on winning 3rd place.

    And for the record, while I can understand and forgive typos in most cases, as I, too am guilty of them, when you sign up someplace else, please try to spell your name correctly.

    It?s ?hypocrisy?.

  12. Comment by

    garyloewenthal

    on #

    To thian13: We’re generally pretty nice. We get disappointed when someone who should know better makes flimsy – and in this case factually incorrect – excuses for causing avoidable harm. A blog is a good place to let off some steam. You have to allow for some occasional ranting on a blog.

    To Marian: Welcome! You may want to browse sites like goveg.com and the ones Laura Leslie mentioned to learn about inherent cruelty in virtually all egg operations. I have had great luck baking with egg replacer (I like Bob’s Red Mill best), and using tofu to create a tasty analog to scrambled eggs.

    To why: We’re not demons. Maybe we can start over with a mutually respectful approach? Generally, vegans have thoughtfully considered all the issues you raise. For all practical purposes, in the West, an omnivorous diet kills more plants and destroys more habitat than a vegan diet. By all objective and observational measures, plants have less sentience than animals, so since some killing is unavoidable, we strive to kill the corn plant instead of the chiken. We also avoid de-beaking the chicken, intensively confining him, genetically engineering him to grow so fast he suffers from chronic joint and internal organ problems, grabbing him by one foot when he’s seven weeks old, cramming him in a cage, hanging him upside down, paralyzing his muscles with a low-llevel electric shock, knifing his throat, and – at times – dunking him in scalding water before he’s bled to death. By going vegan, we aim to minimize the suffering and harm we cause.

    But obviously not to the point of committing suicide. No one can be a perfect vegan, but there are some easy measures we can take to greatly reduce the harm we cause to other beings. In a nutshell, going vegan is a way to try and follow the golden rule.

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