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Shame, shame, shame on you!: eBay seller 1821house

The picture isn't the only thing that's shady.

The picture isn’t the only thing that’s shady.

Because I’m broke and am trying my best to make eco-friendly choices, I decided to purchase a used coat on eBay. I rooted through many options and settled on what was described as a “luxuriously soft plush VINTAGE faux FUR COAT size S.” However, when I received the package, I was saddened to discover that the item is made from an actual dead animal and not a synthetic faux fur fabric like acrylic! Yuck!

Needless to say, I was miffed. I promptly wrote to the seller, 1821house. I explained, in the most non-accusatory tone that I could muster, that she was mistaken in her belief that the coat is made of faux fur and that I would like to return the coat and receive a refund for the purchase price and postage. I even went so far as having compassion her ignorance and sent her a handy link to an article that helps one distinguish between genuine and fake fur. I guess I was wrong to think that my message would appeal to her sense of reason and responsibility. Though we’ve exchanged several emails, she boorishly maintains that her product is not made of dead animals and refuses to provide a refund.

I sort of hate that I have to make this dispute public, but I need some advice and support. While 1821house is in violation of eBay’s Seller Non-Performance Policy for misrepresenting her item in the listing, I have to wait two days before I can open a dispute. In the meanwhile, I need advice on how I can prove my case. Who should I consult for an appraisal: a furrier, my dry cleaner, a wildlife expert, my vet, the Bronx Zoo??? Also, I am a first time eBay user. Can I leave negative feedback now or should I wait until the situation is resolved? Any advice you can give is welcome. Also, feel free to vent in the comments if you’ve been screwed over via eBay sellers hawking animal products as more marketable faux items.

39 Comments

  1. Comment by

    Jason Das

    on #

    How do you know it’s real fur? (I’m not saying it’s not, I’m just curious. Mostly I want to hear about you burning it.)

    Also, is there a materials label that lies about it being faux-fur? In that case, it’s at least a more understandable mistake …

  2. Comment by

    Olivia Lane

    on #

    There is no label on the coat besides one that reads “Made in Korea.”

    My suspicions that the coat is real fur are based on my initial impression based on my experience with real and faux fur, seeing skin/leather at the base/root of the fur, testing it according to the tip guide on the API website, and on the fact that it feels exactly like my three cats’ fur.

    I believe that the seller probably didn’t know the coat was real fur, as most people are uneducated on the matter. Still, it was her responsibility to ensure that she knew what she was selling before misrepresenting the item on eBay.

    Anyhow, I think I need an expert to offer a third/ neutral opinion. Can you recommend someone?

  3. Comment by

    iamtangerine

    on #

    It should be easy to contest your purchase with your credit card company, assuming you used a credit card to pay through paypal. Just call your cc customer service. If you paid using paypal funded by your bank account you may need to dispute the purchase with paypal. If you paid by check it may not be too late to stop payment by calling your bank. Good Luck!

  4. Comment by

    iamtangerine

    on #

    I forgot to mention that it’s less of a headache if you can bypass ebay/paypal entirely by going straight to your credit card company. They may not even require an “expert” testimonial under the circumstances, but if they do, you should run your question by them.

  5. Comment by

    Canaduck

    on #

    Don’t leave negative feedback yet. It’s completely final and you can’t take it back once you’ve submitted it, so the seller will be way less likely to help you out if you’re premature in deciding that you hate her. Plus, if she actually does become cooperative, it would be a shame to have left negative feedback. I think it’s stupid, by the way, that eBay makes you wait two days to complain. Perhaps you could contest the payment (as iamtangerine says) and in the meanwhile tell the seller that you’re going to get the coat verified as real by a furrier. That in and of itself might frighten her into doing the right thing.

  6. Comment by

    Laura Leslie

    on #

    Yeah, definitely don’t leave negative feedback yet. Otherwise she might decide not to help at all. (You could, however, say something like “Unless you remedy this situation, I will be forced to leave negative feedback.”) Negative feedback = loss of money to a seller, so they’re likely to take the threat seriously and work harder to fix the situation.

    Also, if you paid with PayPal, definitely file a dispute there. PayPal actually has a really disturbing system (from a seller’s POV) in that they almost always default in the buyer’s favor and refund the payment. This has happened to me as a seller several times with items that I sent that were fine, but sleazy buyers took advantage of this PayPal flaw. So hopefully it’ll work in your favor.

  7. Comment by

    missteenbuffalo

    on #

    Livi– i had something sorta similar but more dumber on my part happen a long long time ago before I was vegan, but still thought the idea of wearing someone else’s skin on top of my skin was gross. My mom, in order to point out my thrifting retardation, found a hole in the coat lining and showed me how the back of what I thought was fake fur was, in fact skin. You might want to try opening (just a little!) the fabulous red satin lining (ON A SEAM!) and get some conclusive proof as to whether the furriness of your cool new coat is attached to body parts or cotton mesh.

  8. Comment by

    aloha4all

    on #

    Livi – a couple of things. As Laura mentioned, if you file a complaint with Pay Pal they almost 100% side with the buyer, whether or not you are right. The burden of proof is always put on the seller. It’s a very backwards system, but in this case works to your benefit. Once a Pay Pal complaint is filed her account will be locked, including her attached checking account. At this point most sellers concede and just refund. IMO it’s a way faster/easier way for you to get your money back if you just go through Pay Pal.

    I would not post negative feedback as she can retaliate and tarnish your reputation as well.

    I hope this helps! I would be very disgusted by the misrepresentation as well. Good luck!

  9. Comment by

    lizzle

    on #

    My first and only experience with e-bay was a bad one. Though it didn’t have to do with a fur coat, I am glad you posted a blog about this, because I might still try to seek vindication for the egregious wrong committed by an unscrupulous seller, when I ordered some 1976 vintage ceramic canisters. I had just recently gotten into vegan baking and was excited to put my various flours in canisters. Much to my dismay and disappointment, they arrived completely shattered, as they had been wrapped only in a thin piece of newspaper each and sent via USPS. I sent the seller photos of the ruined canisters, which were irreparable, and a polite note explaining that the packaging had been inadequate. The response was what shocked me. It was rude, defensive, and she refused to refund or replace the canisters, saying they were wrapped fine! She took no responsibility. So we lost the money (we paid through paypal) and decided to let it go, leaving bad feedback. Point being, a disappointing e-bay transaction is always made worse by the misbehavior and unprofessionalism of certain sellers in the community. This was a few months ago, could I still take it up with Paypal?

  10. Comment by

    elainevigneault

    on #

    Yeah, this is one of the many reasons I don’t buy things on ebay any more. The last thing I bought was a robe that was listed as polyester but was in fact silk.

    If I were you, I’d donate it to PETA or to an animal shelter and buy another coat.

  11. Comment by

    Hannah

    on #

    I really don’t understand what is with vegans wanting to wear fake fur, even when it’s really fake looking. It sucks that the seller misrepresented the coat and now you’re having issues resolving it, but if you didn’t try to buy a fake fur coat you wouldn’t run the risk of ending up with a real one!

  12. Comment by

    sewster

    on #

    Because wearing a fuzzy, fluffy coat in the winter is fun, and warm that’s why! I wear one that is extremely fake and I love it. I don’t find it “unvegan” at all.*

    *No stuffed animals were harmed in the making of my coat.

  13. Comment by

    Edita

    on #

    I’m sort of on the fence about the faux-fur issue. Some of them are so realistic looking that you literally can’t tell the difference, so unless you’re wearing an anti-fur button, it’s pretty clear that you are “promoting the look” of fur in some way.
    You may be intending to promote the faux-fur alterative, but unless there is some way to consistently communicate that you are wearing faux-fur, I don’t see how that’s possible since most people will probably assume it’s real, especially non-activists, the exact demographic you’re intenting to reach. So, I guess that could be seen as counter-productive.
    I’m definitely all for having lots of cruelty-free alternatives including faux-fur, I’m just not sure how it works out in real life situations.
    The same confusion can be said for faux-leather, which is far more prevalent than faux-fur.
    I find it hypocritical when activists will accuse someone of promoting the “look of fur” when wearing faux, but are silent on the issue of faux-leather, or in fact wear faux-leather themselves with no problem. It’s inconsistent to get all up in arms about faux-fur and not faux-leather, isn’t it?
    I think this happens because even amongst activists and vegans, fur is still widely regarded as a more egregious cruelty than leather.
    I’ve stopped wearing shoes that look like leather to anti-fur demos, because it was such a consistent and relentless distraction due to passerby hecklers who would triumphantly shout that I was wearing leather shoes.
    I used to purposely wear faux-leather because I thought it was a great opportunity to promote the alternatives, but this worked in theory, but not in practice, at fur-demos.

  14. Comment by

    elainevigneault

    on #

    “I’ve stopped wearing shoes that look like leather to anti-fur demos, because it was such a consistent and relentless distraction due to passerby hecklers who would triumphantly shout that I was wearing leather shoes.”

    That’s a good point. Even other activists, when they don’t know you, may assume leather-like shoes are non-vegan. That happened to me at the last fur demo I went to wearing fake leather sandals.

  15. Comment by

    keramel

    on #

    Sorry this happened to you–how horrible.
    1) Contact the seller explaining you want a refund and payment for the cost of sending the coat back. Explain in that email that the description said faux fur, but it is obviously real fur.
    2) Wait the two days. Go through the procedure of getting a refund–include the emails you’ve sent.
    3) Don’t worry about finding an “expert” at this point. If it comes to that, ask ebay or paypal what they need for an “expert” opinion. I doubt they’ll dispute it.
    4) If nothing good happens, then keep blasting the seller and ebay. AND Donate the coat to a wildlife rehabilitator or peta or another animal organization. They use the fur to help raise young furry animals who’ve lost their mother.

    Finally, consider supporting retailers who choose to sell faux fur. It’s actually good for you to contribute to the demand for cruelty free alternatives. If there’s no demand for cruelty free alternatives, there won’t be any supply.

    As for why wear faux stuff? Well, I have a faux fur coat (which has two BIG bright red FAKE and NOT FUR buttons on it) and non leather shoes that sport tiny buttons that say “faux” or “vegan” on them.

    The problem isn’t the fashion. The problem is the cruelty. I’m supporting businesses that have decided to be cruelty free. I’m also letting the world know that you can be fashionable without imposing cruelty on animals. It also sparks a lot of conversation out in public from people who usually don’t think about these issues.

    The fact is that a lot of people do not care to learn about cruelty to animals. I hate hate hate that it’s true, but it is. I am trying to reach those people by saying, “Hey, there’s NO reason for wearing fur/leather. . .except that you just don’t care about animals” just by wearing my faux stuff clearly labeled “vegan.”

    Like the fashion? Faux’s got it. Like the comfort/warmth? Faux’s got it. Like the trendiness? Faux’s got it. That’s the point. It’s about bringing the reluctant animal welfare/rights supporters closer to our camp.

    If you’re vegan and don’t want to wear any faux animal products or eat any faux animal products, then cool! That’s really great and I respect you. But I’m interested in informing and transforming people who are out there wearing fur/leather for no good reason other than the fact that they just don’t know that there are comparable cruelty free options.

    I hope that makes sense. I’m a proud vegan and am just one person trying to do my best to relieve the suffering of animals. I feel that I’ve made a big difference among people who were on the fence about fur, but I’m not saying my way is the only way that makes a difference to the animals. :)

  16. Comment by

    keramel

    on #

    PS To satisfy your own curiosity about the authenticity of the “faux” fur coat? I would go to a furrier/store that sells furs.

    WHAT?!!?!?!

    Yup. I’d go, ask to talk to the manager, and then ask if s/he could tell you if the fur is real or not. After s/he gives the verdict, I’d tell them that you were horrified to think (or now KNOW) that it’s real because you would never support cruelty to animals, but that you’re happy to support people who make beautiful faux fur coats because they’re cruelty-free.

    Then I’d say thanks for your time/help, and quickly scram! :)

    I think that’d take up the manager’s time. . .give you your answer. . .and leave quite an impression.

  17. Comment by

    babaganoush

    on #

    I’d think, too, that to make an eco-friendly purchase you would look for a used coat locally, rather than buying one online that has to be shipped.

  18. Comment by

    azuresage

    on #

    Hi,
    I used to be an ebay seller. When a customer had a dispute with me they went through paypal to get their money back. Paypal did very little in the way of asking me the seller my opinion, and just refunded the buyer the money from my paypal account. You should take it up with paypal. You will in all likelyhood get your money back pretty quickly. All of your transactions through paypal are guaranteed just like when you make purchases with a credit card. Your coat was grossly misrepresented. It is pretty standard for them to take a buyers word for it.

  19. Comment by

    Hallie520

    on #

    Keramel: I have question for you. You said “If nothing good happens, then keep blasting the seller and ebay. AND Donate the coat to a wildlife rehabilitator or peta or another animal organization. They use the fur to help raise young furry animals who’ve lost their mother.”
    How do they help raise furry critters with coats? Is it to simulate the feeling of their mothers? If so that seems kind of gross… like if someone put dead human skin next to me to trick me into thinking it was my mom. Yuck.

  20. Comment by

    Captainred29

    on #

    I agree with “keramel” about determining if it’s real. As awful as it will be you have to take it to a store that sells fur. I live in Florida so there are not too many of those. We use pawn shops here. They usually know.

  21. Comment by

    Beatyourheartout

    on #

    Thats what you get for buying fake fur. You should’nt try to loook for that look. I mean it just promotes it. If you know its fake and walk down the city that doesnt mean everyone else does. And in their unconcious attention you are promoting fur!

  22. Comment by

    gzuckier

    on #

    well, not to be too nerdy, but if you have access to a microscope, doesn’t have to be research lab grade, look at one of the hairs on the fur(?). synthetics are perfectly smooth like plastic extruded through a hole, which they are, natural hairs are sort of rough and scaly, like tree bark.

  23. Comment by

    keramel

    on #

    Hallie:
    Even if it sounds gross to you, it actually is quite successful. I only know about fur’s recycled use for wildlife rehabilitation; I don’t claim to be a wildlife rehabilitator. The animals do find the fur comforting and warm. . .and it’s used to limit the animals’ exposure to human interference. I’m talking about baby animals. I think if you look into mammalian developmental behavior you’ll see it not as gross but understandable. I’m just saying there’s a way to put some good use to something that is horrible (fur). If it’s offensive to you, I was just suggesting something I know about and know does some good for animals.

  24. Comment by

    Beatyourheartout

    on #

    The simple fact you cannot reply back to my post and others about why you shouldnt wear fake fur, means YOUR A FUR HAG!

  25. Comment by

    Laura Leslie

    on #

    Hi Beatyourheartout. Three things.

    1. Keramel posted a fine defense of fake fur above. Comment 15.

    2. You’ve inspired me to dig my huge faux fur coat out of the closet and wear it this winter just to piss you off. Congratulations.

    3. Commenters like you make me hate reading this site, and I’m a co-owner of it. Next time you post a personal attack on one of our bloggers or other commenters, I’m deleting it.

  26. Comment by

    keramel

    on #

    As I said earlier, I have a problem with the cruelty and use of animals. I would never promote wearing fur or the use of animals. I think we can agree on that.

    When I do wear things that resemble animal products (fur, leather, wool), I attach LARGE pins/stickers that CLEARLY say “FAKE” or “FAUX” or have “Fur” with a line through it. How do I do this for shoes? You can use a permanent marker in silver or some other color that will show on dark objects and write “FAKE” or “FAUX” on the heel, if it’s a wedge or high. I’ve attached small pins to my shoes on seams, laces, and zippers. And for really nice shoes that I don’t want to harm (such as lovely ones from Mooshoes), I wear a big pin on my shirt or top that says, “My shoes are not leather” or “Leather” with a big line through it.

    Same goes for fur or wool. By wearing fake fur with the buttons, I am telling people who do NOT care or know about animal cruelty involved in fur that: 1) fur is cruel, 2) if you care but still want to be “trendy” you can wear faux fur, and 3) if you still want to wear real fur, there’s no excuse other than vanity.

    My friends actually say I’m practically a walking protest with all my signs and buttons. My “matt and nat” bag has a big ribbon tied to it that says “VEGAN.”

    I wear fake fur with my buttons because I find it a great and non-confrontational way to educate people. People ask me about my coat and buttons on their own accord.

    I also am proud to contribute to the economic demand for cruelty free alternatives. I want to reward those companies that have chosen to go cruelty-free.

    By wearing fake fur (with the buttons!), I reach people who just want to look cute and haven’t thought much about the cruelty. . .and those who don’t want to think about it. I couldn’t do that in the same way without it by just wearing faux fur on a cotton jacket (although I have these buttons on all my jackets, faux fur or other material).

    I’ve thought long and hard about how I can best combat the wearing of fur. I do not want to “pass” as a nonvegan, ie., seeming to be wearing fur or leather when I am not. And I want to reach as many people as I can–the people who buy fur and who will continue to buy fur. Wearing fake fur (with the buttons) makes my message stick out.

    That’s just my take on it. If you don’t want to wear anything resembling fur or leather, and you don’t want to eat seitan or something. . .I really respect that. We’re on the same side, remember?

  27. Comment by

    Olivia Lane

    on #

    Thanks for all the feedback everyone. Your suggestions helped. I opened a dispute via Paypal and within 12 hours the seller refunded the shipping and purchase price to me. I plan to drop off the fur coat to the Buffalo Exchange in Billsburg who will donate it to HSUS’ awesome Coats for Cubs program.

    Babaganoush (comment #17), I’m totally with you except I’m broke (I have about $40 to spend) and am a little picky. I just haven’t found an appropriate used coat locally because the cute vintage stuff here (in NYC) is soooo terribly expensive. Perhaps things will be different at Buffalo Exchange. I’ll check the coats out while I’m there. Can you, or anyone else, recommend an inexpensive vintage store with adorable things?

    Regarding Beatyourheartout’s Comment 24, why are you so angry lately? I don’t really feel the need to address every comment. Sheesh. But, okay, I will acknowledge you now:

    You’re welcome to feel it’s wrong to wear faux fur–just as I’m welcome to feel that it’s perfectly fine to wear faux fur– since neither of us is hurting anyone. However, writing “Your a fur hag,” on the other hand, is offensive to both me and the English language.

    The good news is that I’m not hurt, as I can’t be bothered to concern myself with the impression my actions might give you, uninformed passersby, and other strangers. Folks who know what I’m about know that I’m not about strapping animal carcasses to my gorgeous body. Thoughtful, curious strangers will inquire about what I’m wearing and we’ll chat about all the cool vegan apparel options and maybe even exchange info and go shopping together or meet for lunch in a week or so. (I love making new friends!) Most other strangers won’t care or notice that I’m wearing vegan alternatives. Occasionally, this might mean they assume I’m wearing leather, fur, etc. by default, but usually it’s means they’re busy living their lives and minding their own business and haven’t given a second thought about me. So, that means I have to live my life with humor, passion, humility, and integrity because these things are important to me and the things that I hope will influence those that are close to me. I refuse to walk around barefoot wearing a hemp sack with “VEGAN” printed on it with soy ink so that it’s clear to some random person on the street that I’m not harming animals. A vegan button that invites thoughtful dialog is enough for me.

  28. Comment by

    keramel

    on #

    Olivia:
    Right on! :)
    Glad it worked out.
    PS Thank you to Laura.

  29. Comment by

    Beatyourheartout

    on #

    Replying To Keramel:
    How was that a personal attack? Whenever someone is on the street promoting fur I say something about it.
    You can feel free to delete any comment I or others write. I mean why have a blog if you can’t control what everyone is gonna write?
    I don’t know any of you people so it’s no personal attack. I just disagree with you on this issue.
    Some people like real fur. I can disagree with them.
    It doesnt mean I hate them.
    Re Olivia:
    I am saying I feel like it hurts animals to wear it. Thats the point I am trying to make. I did’nt mean to offend you. I mean if someone you never met calls you a “Fur Hag” on the internet is gonna offend you… well I dunno what to say.

  30. Comment by

    Olivia Lane

    on #

    Beatyourheartout, Laura is the co-owner of the site who threatened to remove your comments/ personal attack, not Keramel. I also later stated that your comments did not hurt me. Please pay closer attention to the comments of others before you respond to them, lest someone foolishly think you’re an idiot.

    Frankly, I hope things won’t get so carried away that she has to delete your comments. I’m a total sucker for you. Your internet high jinks slay me! (I totally wish you had your own blog!) Still, I’m going to have to report you to the proper authorities if you don’t start proofreading your comments before you post them. Smooches!

  31. Comment by

    Canaduck

    on #

    Hey, great to hear things worked out AND that you are not going to have to ship the coat back to her. Using it to warm up baby animals is a great idea.

    Regarding the fake/real issue, tons of people here in Vancouver wear fur. A lot of it is fake. A LOT of it is real. While talking to people (fur wearers or not) my overall impression has been that most of the public is actually under the impression that it’s ALL fake. Go figure. I have talked to many individuals who say, “People still wear fur??!” Just something to think about.

    Beatyourheartout–you are giving vegans a bad name and making us look like psychopaths. Knock it off.

  32. Comment by

    Jason Das

    on #

    Now, now. Beatyourheartout can’t help being a psychopath, but she/he/it has made a conscious and admirable decision to be vegan. We should be appreciative.

  33. Comment by

    Greenconsciousness

    on #

    I didn’t read all the comments and forgive me if this is a repeat, but most faux fur in the US is made from dogs and cats skinned alive in China. The cheaper it is the more likely it is dog fur. Larry King broadcast the whole disgusting story complete with video of the dogs being skinned. Paul McCarthy and wife got the film. You can still get the transcript of the show on his website if you need the details and facts. Don’t wear the stuff – it is a bad example and we should encourage alternatives by funding them.

  34. Comment by

    keramel

    on #

    Great comment, Greenconsciousness. While I find it really easy to distinguish real fur from acrylic or other manmade material, I sometimes forget that not everyone can tell the difference. To me the signs are extremely clear: the horrible death stench fur has when it’s wet, the way it blows in the slightest breeze, the difference between the soft undercoat (the bottom part closest to the skin) and the longer guard hairs (the darker, coarser hairs that stick out), the eerie resemblance to peoples’ pets, etc.

    But you raise an excellent point: not everyone is familiar with the differences between real fur and manmade material.

    If it’s true that most material that is labeled “fake” or manmade fur is actually dog or cat fur, then it is certainly upon us to inform everyone who wrongly believes they are buying cruelty-free items that they are horribly mistaken.

    I want to look into this further because there are some serious legal ramifications that would be worth pursuing if US retailers are selling items that are labeled as fake or manmade, but are actually made of animals. I’ve heard about selling dog/cat fur in the US and labeling as rabbit fur or just misc. fur. And I remember the Sean P-diddy Combs scandal last year with his so-called “fake” fur actually being raccoon dog.

    Glad you added your comment, Greenconsciousness!

  35. Comment by

    Greenconsciousness

    on #

    http://www.animalsvoice.com/PAGES/writes/editorial/news/features/larryking_catdogfur1.html

    This is the transcript with the details. You can’t do anything because there is no money in it for the lawyers – you can’t show enough money damage to make it worthwhile to sue. The money amounts and how they get away with it are all in the transcript – the dogs are wagging their tails right up to the time they hoist them up on the rope. It is very bad. Don’t wear fur of any kind. You do not know fur sure where it came from or who. Not in your boots, not in your gloves, not as a scarf. No matter how much you educate it is still bad. The alternative materials need to be supported and funded. Anyone wearing fur can say it is not real fur – and I bet they do. Those people certainly don’t have much personal integrity. I bet they lie all the time. They are afraid we will damage their status symbols.

  36. Comment by

    keramel

    on #

    Actually lawyers who work on behalf of animals don’t do it for money, so it’s okay if there’s not money. The issue is both a criminal and civil matter. In the criminal case, the money amount isn’t the issue.

    Anyway, I’m withdrawing from the conversation at this point. I am glad to read the posts and respect your position. I do not wear real fur and say it’s fake. I know the difference. And fabulousfurs.com isn’t doing anything wrong, so I’m not going to demonize them. In fact, I think that company has done a lot of good.

    But I would never ever ever in a million years wear anything resembling animal products without making it fully clear to people that the material is completely man-made. I don’t see what’s wrong with that.

    I agree it would be wrong to buy “fake” fur without being one hundred percent sure it’s not acrylic or some other kind of polymer. In fact, if you really want to be sure your fur is fake, light a match, blow it out completely (so there’s no flame), and hold it close to some of the faux fur. If it melts and clumps together like plastic doll hair, it’s fake. If it pops, curls, and stinks it’s real fur.

    By the way, I don’t wear wool or feathers. NY gets pretty chilly for me in the winter. It’s hard to find warm jackets that are made of cotton or velvet or some other animal free material. I don’t have a ton of money, so I can’t be afford to be sooo selective. I’d LOVE to hear sources for nice looking, warm, animal-product free coats for women that also do not resemble animal products. The wool-free peacoat from pangea is a little too boxy for my shape, plus it looks like it’s wool so I have to wear pins with that one too.

  37. Comment by

    keramel

    on #

    Okay, just one more comment. Carter Dillard wrote a great article on false advertising consumer protection laws and the use of animals in products. If anyone’s interested in the US laws against advertising something as cruelty-free when it is not, Carter’s article is a great place to start. The article is in the 2004 edition of the law journal Animal Law, and is called “False advertising, animals, and ethical consumption.” The cite is 10 Animal L. 25 (for those who want it).

  38. Comment by

    eBay Buyer

    on #

    Like yourself I was scammed but it was on a car I purchased from eBay and the police say it?s a civil matter despite the 1988 Road traffic act that says it?s a criminal offence for anyone (never mind a trader) to sell a car that is unfit for the public roads and they don?t deem it fraud that the person I purchased from gave false details or that he had eight other eBay accounts that only get closed after members catch up with him.

    These are just some of the accounts that have since been closed
    Kawasakiz25039 , Garry473473 , MarkMark.0121 , Paul39393939 , Scoobster199 , Belkin0121 , gsnnah0121.

    Each time people catch up with this scam artist eBay needed pressure from several members to get the account closed and then they give him a new accounts pretending they don?t know how to track IP addresses or cross reference bank details.

    Not only is he scamming eBay members but he also gives out the addresses of old people who don?t understand the internet and they then get angry eBay members hassling them to try and get their money back.

    You can get the full story at http://www.Ebuster.co.uk and see that I have taken it upon myself to fight my own battle because it?s quite clear eBay are unable to police themselves and the legal system offer little help tracking these con artists down.

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    Ally

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    I?m a new ebay buyer. I?ve bought $5 used children?s books in total on ebay recently. The seller asked me to pay $10 for combined shipping/handling. I paid immediately. But 2 weeks later, I received a damaged, open, empty box with postal stickers indicating that they had received it in this condition and without contents. The postman delivered this in-person and explained that this was corroborated by three other postal workers. He said that in their opinion the package was insufficiently wrapped. I took pictures of the box and the post office contact information and forwarded to the seller for resolution. At first he ignored my message. He finally replied with sarcastic remarks and implied that I was trying to cheat him. I waited to submit my feedback but finally reported honestly after I got no response from the seller. ( My feedback ?Paid $10shipping/handling but received a broken and empty box ?is the real thing happened on me ). But after this, he retaliated by leaving negative comments on my eBay account; such as, “Beware all sellers. Wants merchandise for free. Be cautious with this person.” I do feel this treatment is unfair to me. This is the worst shopping experience in my life. :-( I need some advice ….

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